Considering the recent posts about the shooting and lack of security I was wondering what would you be willing to put up with to have a secure casino floor?
Lets say there was only 1 or 2 ways to get on the floor or into their building and you had to go through a metal detector and show Identification that would be recorded, but this caused a line and you had to wait some like at an airport to get inside but at least now you would be safer. Would you be willing to put up with this. How long would you be willing to wait in line? Would you rather have it free and open access like now or do you have other ideas.
How much security would you go for?
I would not put up with that.
I don%26#39;t think anything short of draconian security would have prevented this episode.
I do wish there was a little more trouble taken to keep panhandlers and obvious undesireables out. But 20 security guards at the entrance would not keep out this guy unless there was a metal detector.
How much security would you go for?
I%26#39;ll be the last one to complain about too much security as I work in a building which is in almost permanent lock down: one entrance, secure reception area and cameras EVERYWHERE. You can get fired for using any entrance except the main entrance during working hours. It would not bother me one iota to ';check in.'; I%26#39;m used to it.
That said, anyone who really wanted to get inside (our building) to do some damage with a gun could probably figure out a way of doing so, especially if he/she didn%26#39;t care about being caught.
Just because you don%26#39;t ';see'; security doesn%26#39;t necessarily mean it isn%26#39;t around. I know for a fact that a local casino employs two plainclothes state policemen around the clock, and they rotate through the cameras and floor patrol.
I guess my point is that the incident at the Taj would have PROBABLY happened regardless because the gunman would have found some way of bypassing security, JMHO
There%26#39;s always a first for everything. Even with this shooting, I don%26#39;t believe we%26#39;ve had a customer shot and killed on a casino floor yet in Atlantic City. Here in Baltimore, we can%26#39;t even say ';no shooting deaths on city streets yet this year'; once daybreak hits on January 1st.
In the grand scheme of things the casino floors are probably some of the safest places on earth. It really irks me when politicians or ';officials'; try to impose restrictions in similar cases because of one incident. I wouldn%26#39;t be in favor of a metal detector or ';checking in'; even if they averaged a customer shooting death a year. Of course that%26#39;s not to say I think we should be lax and not enforce obvious measures that protect people, but most of the fixes can be accomplished without even bothering the patrons.
I too feel this tradegy would not have been avoiided with added security. Anyone who is on a mission for this sort of thing will find a way around any secuity system. The added security would be for the peace of mind of the casino patrons. I think people would feel safer if there was a security presence on the floor and around the casino, especially to keep out panhandlers.
This was not a panhandler who did this, he was a frequent casino patron. I think it all comes down to us knowing there is someone we could go to when we have a problem or feel unsafe. We need to feel that the casinos place the safety of their patrons high on their list.
I also dont think they need to go that far. I think the general mood here is this. we just want to see security more visable. someone at the entrance,some wandering the floor and definetly someone at the elevators? we all know security is in the building but just not as visable.
goes back to our younger days when in the city you had foot police,they walked the neighborhood,they knew the people and just being out there and seen kept crime down
My security concerns have nothing to do with this shooting which was an aberration. My concern is theft, panhandling and unsavory folks wandering the casinos. There is no need for what you described nor is that the only alternative to what is in place now. We%26#39;ve been going a lot longer than a lot of you folks and just a return to visible security who would just be a presence on the casino perimeter would be a huge improvement.
There is a need for it now because without it folks just keep pushing the envelope. Lets face it, if there is a police presence on the Garden State Parkway everyone drives better. I think if you see security on and around the casino and the hotel then folks would act accordingly. Some nut like this guy would not be prevented but panhandling would end if they were shown the door and theft would end if those folks knew that security was both watching and close to apprehend them! That%26#39;s all I think is needed...not the equivalent of getting into s secure facility!
My last several visits I haven%26#39;t been carded, at all. This is mainly due to nobody being there to do such a thing. The CW haven%26#39;t carded me either, and I%26#39;m being served alcoholic beverages without question. I%26#39;m perfectly legal to do so, but this means that anyone else with a questionable age can do so as well.
very well written answer frank. thats why im a copyguy and not a writing guy. your answer was what i had in mind but didnt exactly transfer it as well as you did.
I%26#39;ve never seen panhandling in the casino.
I was at the Hilton Sunday night and security keep that older dancing guy than works the Boardwalk, usually in front of convention center, out of the casino.
I would not show ID in order to enter a casino if it was to be recorded.
Harrahs New Orleans has a single line entrance where each customer has to pass a security guard at any entrance; the hotel rooms are not connected to the casino so it is easier to set up. I did not mind it at all, also no bells or whistles for any jackpots to keep undesirables away. It ran smooth even on weekends. While the recent incident is a hopefully scrarce occurence, I feel increasing overall security would make us all a bit more relaxed. The tito vultures and panhandlers are not what I want to endure when I%26#39;m spending my money.
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